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Artist Spotlight: Jackie Cohen – Our Culture


Los Angeles singer-songwriter Jackie Cohen has been making information for half a decade, releasing her first solo EP, Tacoma Evening Terror, Pt. 1: I’ve Obtained the Blues, in 2018. A local of the San Fernando Valley, Cohen moved to New York to review literature and artistic writing at Marymount Manhattan School, utilizing the poetry she had been writing in courses to experiment with songwriting. Foxygen’s Jonathan Rado and the Lemon Twigs’ Brian and Michael D’Addario co-produced her debut EP, which was then paired with the Tacoma Evening Terror Half 2: Self​-​Fulfilling Elegy EP just a few months later. One other full-length, the playful and vibrant Zagg, arrived the next yr on Spacebomb Data.

After finishing her tour in help of Zagg, like many people at the beginning of the pandemic, Cohen discovered herself in a precarious scenario. She was going via what she describes as a “horrible private disaster,” and with no method to combat the ache, noticed no selection however to disguise and crawl into it. With out the backing of a label, she began engaged on a batch of songs with no expectation that they’d ever see the sunshine of day. She ended up recording her third report, titled Pratfall and launched at present through Earth Libraries, with simply two collaborators, her husband Rado and engineer Rias Reed, between October 2020 and January 2021 at Sonora Recorders. The result’s an album directly haunted and bewitching, filled with lush instrumentation and violent imagery that Cohen dives proper into, permitting herself to be spiteful and irreverent and longing and damage. “If I exploit my eyes/ I’d acknowledge a bridge that’s been burnt,” she sings on ‘Some Days’, however in that second, all she will do is stare on the flames.

We caught up with Jackie Cohen for this version of our Artist Highlight interview sequence to speak about rising up within the San Fernando Valley, the method of constructing Pratfall, the title of the album, and extra.


How are you feeling with the discharge of the album developing?

I’m actually nervous, actually. I’m nervous otherwise than I’ve ever been earlier than, placing music out. It’s been three years, and it feels actually unusual coming again. I believe lots of people have been feeling that method, like there’s this big hole, and also you don’t actually know what occurred. Earlier than the pandemic began, I used to be form of in excessive gear, issues had simply began rolling for me. And I used to be form of deciding, “What’s subsequent? I’ve been touring my ass off for a yr and a half, the place can we go from right here?” After which every part simply stopped. And making an attempt to choose again up a pair years later, and far more mentally in poor health [laughs], feels actually bizarre and I don’t actually know what to anticipate or how you can really feel about it. However I’m excited to lastly be getting this report out, as a result of once I was making it, I used to be like, “Hell yeah, that is the most effective report I’ve made.” And so it’s this actually bizarre feeling of, I’m very excited to share these songs, however I’m additionally actually petrified of placing it out.

The studio the place you recorded Pratfall was only a 30-minute drive from the San Fernando Valley, the place you grew up. Across the time you have been making the album, and particularly while you wrote ‘The Valley’, had you already been reflecting in your upbringing?

I believe the rationale why I felt compelled to put in writing that track at the moment was as a result of I used to be all of a sudden caught at dwelling for the primary time in a few years. I grew up within the Valley, I went to highschool straight away in New York, and earlier than I used to be completed graduating, I’d already began touring. After I left New York, I did technically transfer again to the Valley, but it surely was extra of a crash pad than a house expertise. I used to be touring a lot for thus a few years, and there have been all the time like 9 dudes sleeping on the ground, and there was a studio within the yard. And so we’d go for a pair months after which come again for a month, possibly I’d get a vacation job or one thing, after which we’d be gone once more. And it wasn’t actually till the pandemic began that I needed to sit round and be at dwelling, in my hometown, for an prolonged time frame, and contemplate the likelihood that I could also be there for some time.

Proper earlier than it had began, I took a job at a bakery proper across the nook from the place my dad and mom stay, and I labored there for a few months. And I used to be making an attempt to determine what my subsequent strikes have been. I had these delusions of changing into a baker, I assumed I used to be going to go study to be a baker at this bakery. However actually, all they let me do was make espresso and work the money register. My dad and mom would present up and fake to be nameless prospects, simply once they have been bored. [laughs] So I went from by no means stopping, being in fixed movement on a regular basis, we have been forwards and backwards internationally so many occasions in simply a few years, after which all of a sudden I needed to cease and be very nonetheless for a very long time. It was form of the primary time I ended and considered the place I got here from.

You utilize the phrase “dwelling expertise.” Would you say you’re nearer to understanding what meaning for you?

I positively perceive much more about myself than I believe I assumed I did. Not everybody feels this manner, in all probability, however I believe lots of people assume that they did job of, like, not turning into their dad and mom, or by some means you escaped the generational curse or no matter, the tradition that you simply’re making an attempt to get away from while you’re actually younger. A bunch of issues occurred over the previous couple of years in my life, and I began remedy, like many have. And you discover out that you simply’re like 99% made up of all of the belongings you thought you’d averted. You didn’t escape it, you didn’t keep away from it. You’ve made all your selections all through your whole life from a mindset that developed in your childhood dwelling. So this yr has been a very huge yr for me coming to phrases with the truth that all of my selections didn’t come from the place I assumed they have been coming from. [laughs] I didn’t outsmart my genes. I didn’t outsmart my childhood.

Given the fictional nature of lots of your lyrics, was it daunting to talk so straight out of your expertise on ‘The Valley’?

All of my songs are a bit bit fictional and a bit bit nonfictional. Not every part that I write is totally confessional, but it surely’s all primarily based in actual emotions and actual experiences, usually an amalgamated expertise of many issues that form of add as much as an emotion that’s true. For this track, it’s not veiled in any respect, and I used to be legitimately scared to put in writing a few of it. I form of requested my sister permission to make use of a few of the verbiage that I used, as a result of a few of it’s direct quotes. And I felt actually petrified of placing it out or exhibiting my dad and mom – my dad and mom all the time have one thing to say about no matter it’s I’m doing, they all the time supply me their opinion. And I used to be actually afraid of offending the household, though it’s a young track. I don’t assume that I’m being imply, however I nonetheless felt bizarre about straight addressing my sister and my dad and mom. However everybody actually preferred it. My sister thought it was actually humorous to speak about, you realize, the household nostril job tradition. And my dad despatched me an extended textual content after the track got here out – my dad’s actually humorous, he texts in lengthy paragraphs, and he wrote this good message about how he thought it was good poetry or one thing. And I used to be like, “Okay, phew. I’m not exiled. Every thing is gonna be advantageous.” [laughs]

The road that I really feel like sums up all of it’s, “The entire thing makes me dizzy.” At that time, it feels such as you’re unsure if that entire factor is the previous coming again to hang-out you or the uncertainty of the longer term, or if it’s the current.

It’s actually stunning generally while you understand the way you’ve acquired a physique half in so many alternative time limits in your life. Individuals are all the time speaking about being current, it’s such as you discover your peace by centering and changing into current within the current second. However I don’t know, I really feel like I’ve acquired my foot caught in an elevator previously, after which I’m additionally simply hooked up to a few years in the past. That’s how individuals really feel issues and take into consideration issues. It’s not linear. And it may be actually disturbing, to really feel your whole life all of sudden. But it surely’s additionally form of vital to do it sooner or later.

It’s not shocking to me that that’s one of many extra collaborative songs on the album. All of the completely different artists that you simply introduced in – Natalie Mering of Weyes Blood, Shaun Fleming, and Marly Ludwig, who directed the video – are additionally from the Valley. I’m curious for those who spent any time speaking about your expertise collectively.

The factor about individuals from the Valley is that we by no means shut up in regards to the Valley. [laughs] We’re all utterly obsessive about speaking in regards to the Valley and being from the Valley. It’s such a bizarre little city, it’s an odd space. And it’s proper under Los Angeles, so we’re additionally actually defensive of the Valley, as a result of children who’re from LA correct hate the valley, just like the Valley’s uncool or no matter. Valley children are like, “Completely not, LA is horrible. We love the Valley.” And we spend all of our time speaking about, like, little eating places and frozen yoghurt retailers that we’re unsure in the event that they existed or not, however like, “No, we each do not forget that, that was actual.” And, “There’s a little restaurant that additionally had open mics, did you ever go?” “Yeah, completely, I bear in mind happening the weekends after soccer follow” or no matter. We love our landmarks. We love the expertise of rising up in that bizarre little bubble. It appears virtually old-fashioned. Every thing within the Valley feels fairly unchanged. And so, getting all of these Valley children in a room collectively to simply speak about, like, a park that all of us went to and doubtless ran into one another sooner or later earlier than we knew one another. It’s very nice to know some individuals who bear in mind these issues.

I believe that the one motive why I’m even in music to start with is as a result of I like having neighborhood round me. I’ve been advised just a few occasions, like, “Possibly it is best to simply work at a summer time camp if that’s actually all you’re after, you simply wish to be surrounded by your mates.” [laughs] However I believe that as a result of every part has form of been like a summer time camp expertise for me, I believe it’s made my information actually enjoyable.

Talking of collaboration, I like that Peanut is credited with “rhythmic bark barks” on the title observe.

[laughs] It’s so cute. We have been at this studio – Peanut’s truly proper right here – and she or he was only a pet, just a bit child woman. She was so small once we acquired her, I might carry her round in a tote bag. And she or he got here to the studio on daily basis. She’s within the background of so many indie rock information that got here out of that studio, it’s loopy. And there was this huge parking zone exterior, gated off, and it was proper off of a serious Boulevard in Los Feliz, so there’s all the time individuals strolling by and vehicles and lots of commotion. And she or he’d go on the market and bark, she’d simply be dropping her thoughts. And we couldn’t catch her, she was going via her rebellious pet section. We spent hours and hours over the course of this report simply the three of us triangulating her within the parking zone, making an attempt to catch her as a result of she would simply be on the market barking her head off. And I believe it’s so humorous that on that track, we didn’t have to govern the barking in any respect. She was barking completely in time. And I really feel like like once I inform those that, there’s a bit little bit of eyebrow-raising, like, “Actually, you didn’t shift it in any respect?” No, she was singing alongside. [laughs] She’s gifted.

I imply, she’s been within the background of so many indie rock information.

I do know. She would stand on the board and trip the faders, you realize? She’s an indie rock canine.

I consider you, I’m not going to query that additional. What acquired you eager about the title of the album, Pratfall?

I believe I made a decision on the title after I wrote the track ‘Pratfall’. I exploit that time period in a lyric. And once I wrote that track, I form of realized that that had been the theme of my life throughout that point, was simply making an attempt to discover ways to fall down gracefully, or in a method that will not utterly break my physique. I went via a few years the place I did take a reasonably gnarly fall in my life, and I didn’t really need anybody to know. I didn’t wish to be perceived as being injured or tousled or of getting made a mistake. Pratfall means lots of various things, however for me, at that second, it form of simply meant making an attempt to make a nasty fall look intentional, so that folks don’t panic. As a result of individuals get actually upset and nervous once they see somebody get damage. And it’s all the time form of been my position in my life, to be an individual that retains it collectively for everyone. And once I couldn’t try this anymore, I spent lots of time simply form of limping round, making an attempt to behave like nothing had occurred.

I additionally needed to make one thing good out of it. I used to be making an attempt to work via it by making the report. And so, I had this concept of like, “Yeah, I fell down on my ass actually onerous, however I’m gonna make it look good.” And that was form of the thesis of the report, like, “Ow, however ta-dah!” So it labored in some methods, and in different methods it didn’t work. In different methods, I simply didn’t are likely to a very huge boo-boo for some time. [laughs]

There’s a comedic facet to the pratfall, and within the context of this metaphor, it makes me take into consideration how lots of occasions, when while you’re going via that fall, there’s an urge to form of snicker it off. To make it look like a joke, which isn’t wholesome. However the aid from the precise rise may really feel humorous in , cathartic method.

Yeah, generally one thing is simply so tousled that it turns into hilarious. There’s usually comedy and tragedy. I’ve all the time completed my greatest to be foolish or humorous in regards to the issues which can be disturbing in my my life. I all the time attempt to snicker it off. And it’s humorous as a result of the pratfall is sort of a slapstick time period, and what was happening in my life, it did really feel like slapstick. [laughs] It felt ridiculous. It’s like the whole world had simply become a farce. And I believe that these are additionally my least humorous lyrics. For a very long time, in my different information, I really feel like I’ve all the time been form of jokey, foolish about it, and I believe that I did cover behind humour lots of the time. And it’s humorous as a result of on this one, I used to be simply laughing on the ridiculousness of it the whole time, however the lyrics aren’t very humorous. There’s, like, one humorous lyric.

However there’s something about the best way you form of ship the lyrics vocally that usually brings a form of playfulness, virtually a wickedness to it. Since you’ve mentioned that lots of your songwriting is lyric-focused when it comes to the method, I’m curious the way you went about mapping out a few of the extra animated vocal performances on the album, particularly on a track like ‘Two Days’.

‘Two Days’ particularly is a humorous instance, as a result of that’s a scratch vocal. It’s the one scratch vocal on the report, and it’s the primary track that we recorded. I had spent probably the most time plunking that one out on piano, and I performed it probably the most quantity of occasions, as a result of I had written it fairly early on within the course of. That one particularly has an attention-grabbing power, as a result of I wasn’t anticipating it to be a remaining vocal. I used to be simply laying down a layer in order that we might construct round it. I bear in mind I used to be sitting on the sofa, and Peanut had simply had simply been spayed. She’s a delicate little pet and she or he was sore, and I used to be sitting on the sofa and form of icing her tummy. Rado got here and arrange a mic so I might sit down on the sofa and maintain her and be icing her, and we simply laid it down actually fast. I believe as a result of I wasn’t actually eager about all of it that a lot, I used to be simply singing the track, we by no means acquired a greater take of it. We tried a few occasions, and once I began eager about it an excessive amount of, I couldn’t ship it once more.

What I used to be making an attempt to do for a lot of the report was sing the songs true to coronary heart, how I imagined saying them. So I believe that they’re animated in form of the identical method that I speak, and the best way that I speak is like, I speak with my palms and I speak with lots of have an effect on. After I would go into the studio, I’d heat up in my automotive on the drive there, and I often had like a 15 or 20-minute drive. And I’d take heed to Judy Garland or Barbra Streisand and sing alongside. I like Humorous Woman. I believe that Barbra Streisand in Humorous Woman in all probability has probably the most musical affect on me of something. [laughs] She’s so foolish and goofy, and I like that phrase you used, depraved. And I used to be additionally listening to lots of Kate Bush and Tori Amos.

I believe that every one the songs on this report, I’m very a lot speaking to somebody. And so my vocal performances aren’t tremendous vibey, it’s not vibey music. In a method it’s very conversational, and it’s additionally a bit bit – I don’t just like the phrase theatrical, however I like singers who’re making an attempt to speak a sense and a narrative via the efficiency. I had lots of emotions happening once I was making this sucker, and I used to be indignant. There’s lots of anger on this report, and the anger comes paired with a bit little bit of comedy.

It feels conversational, but it surely’s additionally confrontational at occasions.

It’s a extremely confrontational report. [laughs]

‘Ghost Story’ involves thoughts, particularly the road, “He tells me I’m a trainer, I inform him he’s a fraud.” Are you able to speak about how that track took place?

[dog barks] Hey, Peach, no barking. That’s my different canine – she’s confrontational. So, ‘Ghost Story’ is the primary track I wrote for the report. I wrote it in December of 2019, and I wasn’t even actually writing for a report but. The report is all about this time interval that started in 2019, the place my life began breaking down a bit bit – properly, not a bit bit, loads, in lots of other ways. And I virtually really feel like I wrote that track form of subconsciously, as a result of it makes much more sense to me now than it did once I wrote it. I used to be going via one thing the place I form of knew that I used to be in a nasty scenario, however wasn’t actually able to admit it. But it surely’s a bizarre second the place one thing dangerous occurs, I do know that that occurred, however I’m nonetheless in shock and disbelief and I’m simply going to put in writing that off as as a mistake. It doesn’t match the remainder of the story, so I’m simply going to set it apart.

Over time, it’s develop into actually clear to me that I understood extra about what was happening in my life than I used to be able to admit once I was writing the songs. A few of these lyrics, it virtually seems like me screaming at me to take heed to the content material of these lyrics, and to take observe and react. As a result of I used to be writing these songs which can be deeply confrontational, and there’s lots of grief and sorrow and shock and damage. The report is basically a report about betrayal and grief and mourning, and I didn’t actually know that till method after the report was completed.

Was there a selected second the place you felt that, the load of the autumn and all these feelings?

I believe that it felt the heaviest when it was completed, and I didn’t really feel higher. There’s additionally lots of pleading or bargaining happening within the report. I really feel like lots of the lyrics, I’m making an attempt to make somebody perceive. And I believe that I had all these excessive hopes for this report, like, That is how I develop into understood. And as soon as I’ve defined myself, as soon as I’ve mentioned what I must say, and I’m gonna say it fantastically, and in an attention-grabbing method, and with probably the most attention-grabbing preparations I’ve ever made – like, look, I’m going to develop as an artist, and I’m going to develop as an individual, and it’s going to be such a robust assertion, every part goes to really feel higher and every part might be healed and again on observe, and it’s gonna proper the ship.

And it didn’t. I made this report to repair my life in lots of methods, and it didn’t repair my life. I prefer it. [laughs] I believe it’s report. However I completed it in January of 2021, every part was mentioned and completed, and I used to be proud of it. I listened to it one million occasions, I shared it with lots of people and all people preferred it. And my life didn’t – nothing occurred. And that’s when it felt the heaviest. I had been driving on this concept that ending this report was going to place every part again in place. And I spotted it was going to take much more work and introspection than that to get there.

Music can’t try this, irrespective of how passionate you’re about it.

Effectively, I believe my intentions have been simply form of deluded. You may positively do lots of therapeutic in your self via music. It’s probably the greatest therapeutic instruments we’ve got, making music and expressing your self. However you possibly can’t change issues that occurred. You may’t change the previous. You may’t make another person perceive you. If you happen to’re gonna heal, it must be between you and also you. You may’t depend on any individual understanding what you’re saying and that’s going to repair every part. And I believe that I actually didn’t perceive that. So, now all I do all day is get sq. with me. It’s so significantly better than making an attempt to get sq. with the universe.

Wanting again on the method of constructing the album, what are you most pleased with your self for?

I’m actually pleased with making this report though I used to be pretty satisfied I used to be by no means going to launch music once more. After I completed all that touring, my marketing campaign for my final report was positively wrapped up. I didn’t know what was going to occur subsequent. My life was form of falling aside in a bizarre method and it was actually complicated. And I used to be working at that bakery and my dad and mom have been coming in to say, “Hey, miss!” [laughs] And I needed to make lots of selections about my life actually shortly. After which the pandemic began, I’d made all these selections and all of a sudden the world froze. After which a few months later, I acquired dropped my by my label. There’s like an entire different report of demos that I made early pandemic that I don’t know if I’ll ever do something with them – I don’t even know in the event that they’re any good. I had made all of those selections that have been fairly onerous to take a seat with in frozen time.

I used to be dropped by label, nobody was going to ask me to make music once more. I assumed that my profession was over, however I stored writing all of the songs as a result of I didn’t know what else to do. I used to be trapped in my home with my piano and nothing else. I spent lots of the pandemic utterly alone, and I wrote all these songs by fall 2020, once I determined, “Hey, I believe I wish to make this report.” And Rado mentioned, “Yeah, let’s report it.” I believe that the rationale why I preferred this report a lot is as a result of I made it for no person. I didn’t assume it was going to come back out. I didn’t assume anyone was going to listen to it. I made it utterly to style. I like this report as a result of I made it with out the strain of wanting another person to love it. And I’m actually glad that I did that, as a result of it’s the primary time I’ve ever felt like that is precisely how I needed it to sound.

Rado performs virtually each instrument on the report, however lots of the preparations, I’d sit on the ground by his toes with headphones on and he’d have headphones and we’d speak via it. And I’d inform him, like, “Bear in mind this reference? Can we play it once more, however with that in thoughts?” And we’d simply work out each little piece of it till it made me like snicker or smile. Each single a part of the report is one thing that I like. So, I believe I’m pleased with myself for pouring a lot love into one thing that I didn’t assume was ever going to come back out. It was simply to make it.

Are you able to share one factor that conjures up you about Rado, and likewise one thing that you simply assume he finds inspiring about you?

I’ve been working with Rado and likewise watching him make information for different individuals for one million years now, and I believe that he legitimately works from a spot of desirous to make individuals’s goals come true. There are lots of producers on the market who individuals go to as a result of they do a sure factor, they’ve a sure sound, they’ve sure gear or tips that they do, and also you go there since you need them to try this factor to your music. Rado is among the solely producers that I do know who desires to see your thought during. Which is de facto particular for somebody like me, who got here in utterly untrained, virtually no expertise. I didn’t decide up a guitar till I used to be 20. However I preferred writing, I used to be an English main and I’ve been a poetry main. And Rado is the one individual I’ve ever labored with who didn’t have this power of like, “You don’t know what you’re doing, however I do. So I’m going to give you all these concepts and I’m going to show your lyrics into music.” He’s all the time had this manner of respecting and carving out the imaginative and prescient with me, as an alternative of imposing his personal imaginative and prescient upon it. And likewise, I like his visions. I believe he’s some of the playful musicians and writers that I’ve ever met.

I believe that what he likes about working with me is that I’m not primarily a musician. And so, every part is form of new and thrilling and enjoyable for me. And. I don’t know what I’m doing. [laughs] I imply, I say that now, I’ve been saying that for like 5 years, and I’ve been making my very own information for 5 years. So, yeah, I do know a bit bit extra about what I’m doing now. However, like, I didn’t go to music college. And I believe it’s enjoyable for him to work with somebody who has concepts that don’t essentially conform to songwriting type on a regular basis. I believe that once we collaborate, it does have a novel factor.


This interview has been edited and condensed for readability and size.

Jackie Cohen’s Pratfall is out now through Earth Libraries.

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